In an interview with CNN’s David Axelrod on The Axe Files, comedy legend Whoopi Goldberg stated that she steadfastly refuses to say Trump’s name out loud—though she acknowledges he’s “the man in charge.”

Goldberg said she “can’t” use Donald Trump’s name in conjunction with the word “president,” though she realizes that “people don’t like that I don’t do it”:

I’m fine with that. There’s lots of stuff I do that people don’t like, you know. I can live with that.

Goldberg appeared with Trump in the 1994 Little Rascals movie, and said their relationship had been “cordial,” but told Axelrod that she’s been “deeply” bothered over the years by Trump’s racist comments, especially “the nonsense about whether Barack Obama was an American citizen”:

I know he went to school, and I know he knows that Hawaii was part of the United States. And I know that the real bottom line of that conversation was how can [Obama] be our president, and it’s like, “Listen, man. He won.”

Asked by Axelrod to respond to Trump’s assertion that he is the “least racist person you know,” Goldberg said, “In his mind, he probably is,” adding that she believed the president has an inherent belief that other races are inferior:

You know, you keep—you keep saying you’re not racist, and then you do racist stuff. And then you hear racist things and you don’t say, “Hey, that’s not how we talk here.” So for me, he has a lot of issues. But I—I always said he had issues.

She told Axelrod she empathizes with Colin Kaepernick and other NFL players who have protested racial injustice in America by taking a knee during the national anthem:

I understand when somebody says, “I don’t think this represents me. I’m not doing a work stoppage, I’m not being disrespectful, I’m kneeling. My back is not to the flag—I’m kneeling, begging to be recognized.”

As for Kaepernick, Goldberg said she has “nothing but respect for him, because it’s hard to stand and piss in the wind.”

Asked by Axelrod if Goldberg had a message for the Trump, Goldberg said no—but did have a message “for the people around him”:

Change is coming, and it’s not coming because it’s ideological. It’s coming because you’re endangering, you’re allowing things that endanger our children, our country, our air. I just want people in [power] who remember what the promise of America is. Not was, but is.

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